Creating Her MORE: The Service-Driven Reinvention of Charity Matters’ Founder Heidi Johnson

In this episode of Mom to MORE™, host Sharon Macey is joined by Heidi Johnson, nonprofit founder, author, host of the Charity Matters podcast and a mom dedicated to making a difference in the world through her charitable work. 

Join Sharon and Heidi as they discuss how a personal tragedy motivated Heidi to dedicate her life to serving others, the importance of introducing children to philanthropy, modeling charitable behavior and the physical and emotional benefits of helping others.

Tune in to be inspired by Heidi's journey of turning her pain into her passion and purpose, and discover how embracing service and philanthropy can create a positive impact on your family and community

[00:00] Introduction
[00:00:45] Heidi Johnson’s background and motherhood journey
[02:00] Balancing motherhood and philanthropy and introducing children to charitable causes
[07:29] The personal tragedy that changed Heidi’s life and led to a deeper commitment to philanthropy
[13:31] The origin of the Charity Matters podcast
[21:12] Resource for moms considering nonprofit involvement
[29:44] Where to find Heidi online

Meet My Guest Heidi Johnson:
Heidi’s new book, Change for Good: https://go.sylikes.com/eNkv5bF8ebUU
Website: charity-matters.com
Instagram/Facebook: @charitymatters
X: @Charity_Matters
LinkedIn: Heidi McNiff Johnson
Catchafire.org:  https://www.catchafire.org/

Catchafire.org is an amazing resource for people wanting to get into the workforce from volunteer work. As moms, we excel at volunteer work!

On Catchafire, your skills support nonprofits on the frontlines solving critical community issues. Build your resume and portfolio while directly supporting the causes you care about.  With over 150 project types, customize your support based on your skills and availability while gaining connections, resume building, and targeted volunteer experience.

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Keep an eye out for episode #25 of the Mom to MORE™ podcast where Sharon is joined by Kay Pascal, entrepreneur, early childhood educator and author of Insert Giggle Giggle. Coming soon - you won’t want to miss it ♥

• Transcription

  Sharon Macey:
  Welcome to the podcast where motherhood meets reinvention. I'm your host, Sharon Macy, and this is Mom2More. I'll be speaking with remarkable moms who have embraced the art of transformation. crafting their more by leveraging the skills they hone as stay-at-home moms. They'll share their experiences, struggles, and successes as they return to a former career, pursued a passion or hobby, or charted an entirely new path, giving you the clarity, motivation, and inspiration to help you answer the question, what do you want to do when your kids grow up? Welcome back, moms. Well, sometimes in life, when we are very lucky, we hit upon a passion that carries us through our entire life. My next guest, Heidi Johnson, is just that person. She is a nonprofit founder, storyteller, and believer in good. She uses the power of connection to bring people together through her work in the nonprofit sector. For the past decade, Heidi has communicated powerful stories to inspire service through her blog and podcast, Charity Matters, while serving as the executive director of a youth leadership organization. Heidi is one of the founders of the nonprofit Spiritual Care Guild at Children's Hospital of Los Angeles, where she is a past trustee on the hospital's board and the Spiritual Care Advisory Board. She has been recognized for multiple service awards, including the Cardinal's Award, the highest recognition of service in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles. Well, congratulations. Heidi's work has been published by Thrive Global, Medium, Conscious Magazine, and she has a monthly column about making a difference in Force Magazine. She is almost a first-time author, so woo-hoo, with her new book, Change for Good, and I can't wait to talk about that. Heidi and her husband are the very proud parents of three sons. So welcome, Heidi. So glad you're with me. Thank you, Sharon. Thank you for having me. It's so fun to be here. Thank you. Well, we must give a shout out to our friend Leslie Maskin, who introduced us. So thank you, Leslie. Thank you, Leslie. Ultimate connector. Ultimate connector. And what I'm getting from you, just from reading about you and I've listened to your podcast, you are truly a beacon for philanthropy. It is ingrained in your essence and it is your life's work. And I find that so fulfilling and so powerful. And we're going to be talking much more about that. So let's go, shall we? All right. Yeah, let's do it. So I start all of my interviews with what I call my essential mom question. And that is, how many kids do you have and where did you raise them? I have three boys, Hunter, Henry and Ford, who names their children Henry Ford back to back. So we had three, Henry and Ford, instead of that comma. And they were all raised in Pasadena, California. And how long were you home with your kids? And what did that look like for you? Well, I didn't think I was going to be home. I thought I was going to be a working mom in 1995 when I had our oldest. And, uh, and through a series of events that ended up being very fortuitous, I ended up being home, um, with my kids from 95 until 2013. So I was home, you know, for the bulk of their, the bulk of their childhood. I was home. Doing a lot of things. Yeah. So you, you were sort of work from home before it was chic. Did you work from home? Yeah, a little bit. Philanthropy is one of those jobs that you can do volunteering or being involved, not being paid, but being stay-at-home mom and still be able to make a difference. So I was able to do a lot of great things being at home. And I'm sure there's not a mom listening to this right now who has not volunteered. So we are all on the same page in that regard. It also makes me think about all of the skills that we develop while we are volunteering. A hundred percent. It's very rich and very full. So I'm curious, how did you introduce your boys to philanthropy? And how would you recommend introducing kids at various stages of growing up to the beauty of philanthropy? Well, it's a great question. And so many ways. I think first and foremost is modeling it in your home. I think my kids thought that I was the president of Children's Hospital. They thought I ran a hospital. just because I volunteer so often. But we did a lot of things. One of the big things we did is we did Thankful Thursday with gratitude. And then every holiday season, we picked a philanthropy and the boys had to present a cause they cared about. So, you know, when my boys were into G.I. Joe and soldiers, they wanted to adopt a soldier, which we did. When they were into animals, they wanted to do something for the Humane Society. So they would pitch and we would pick a cause and they would have to do a little research. So they were involved from an early age. They knew it's just part of what we do. It was not even a, like, what are you introducing this? It was just always something that we did as a family and that they saw and that my family did and that I wanted my sons to do. And they've gone on and done some really incredible things. So you've really paid it forward with them. It's really rewarding as a parent to see that going forward. My youngest son helped found a nonprofit called Once Upon a Room that's now in 22 hospitals across the country that does extreme hospital room makeovers for terminally ill and very seriously ill children in high school. That sounds incredible. It's been in People Magazine. He took it to college with him. So, I mean, they've done some pretty great things. Yeah. That is something that is near and dear to our family's heart. We have been supporting nonprofits locally since our kids were very young. And to them, the kids that they ran across in the nonprofits, like a local one that I was on the board of and we've been involved with for years, these kids are part of their life. That's where the joy is, right? That's how you teach joy and gratitude and they all go together. They all go together. Absolutely, yeah. So let's talk about some of your mom's skills. What skills did you hone while you were with your boys that helped you to really go more into the nonprofit world, start your podcast and write your book? You know, I think the number one skill that all moms have is time management. I mean, we run a military operation every day. We are literally planning a strategic battle, whether it's baseball or homework or, you know, bringing cookies to the bake sale, whatever it is. We are multitasking. We are juggling so many things. And it's that time management and communication skill that go together that we use every day as moms running our homes and our families that has been instrumental in me being able and juggling multiple things, right? You've got to pick up so-and-so and you've got to be here and you're multitasking as well. So I think those three things, time management, multitasking, and communication, all critical into everything that I do. And those are things that you have just taken through your life. A total constant. Yeah. Total constant. And as you were talking about time management, yes, it is possible to get three kids to three different places within an hour. It is. And even in Los Angeles. Yes, it is. Especially in Los Angeles, yeah. Some days it's harder than others, but it is, yes. Yeah. So I wanted to sort of rewind the clock for a moment and talk to you about, you had a tragedy years ago that altered your life. And would you just share that with our listeners? Yes, yes, absolutely. I mean, you know, I really believe that change sometimes comes to us in an earthquake and in big cataclysmic moments that cause these tectonic shifts in our lives. People like to think it comes in little increments, and I think it comes in big, huge shifts. And for me, that moment was that phone call in the middle of the night that everyone's warned about and you hope you never get. I was 35 years old, and the phone rang in the middle of the night. I think they were six, four and one or something like that, little boys. And my parents were celebrating their 60th birthdays in Mexico, four couples, all best friends having time in their lives. And they were hit by a bus. They were hit by a huge tour bus. And every couple lost a spouse. So three people dead. My mother was killed instantly. And then one brain dead, he's still alive. So every couple lost a spouse. So my father was in a coma for a month after the accident and woke up and his best friends and his wife of 30. six years was gone, the funerals had happened. And it was just that nightmare that you can't even fathom. But in that moment, we had everything you could ask for as far as community and people bringing diapers and food and helping with Christmas cards. And I mean, just I couldn't pay back in a lifetime what we received. But what really got us through was kind of faith and knowing that Somehow faith really carried us through and that moment ended up changing everything and sending me down the nonprofit path. What was the next thing that happened that was a result of this horrible tragedy that you had to live through? So my dad went home Thanksgiving day in 2002 of the accident, and I got a call the following November, almost a year to the day of the accident, which is kind of weird. And my friend who was a priest at Children's Hospital Los Angeles, and he said, Heidi, will you bring some friends down to CHLA? I am the only person here for 300,000 kids. There's no one at night. There's no one on weekends. There's no one to create the helicopter. There's no one to give a blessing before surgery or last right or anything. And he said, and I'm only representing one religion and we have, we represent so many faiths. I want to start a nonprofit that will provide chaplains of all faiths at CHLA and I want you to come down." And I said, I've got nothing. I'm grieving. I've got little kids. But I went down and we were on, we all went down. Nine of us went down and we were on a tour and we ran into a woman whose little boy was run over and dropped offline. She was a single mom and he was not supposed to live. And Father John greeted her at the helicopter and sat with her through his surgery. And Father John came every single day for a month. And in that hallway, she looked at us and she said, you know, he's going home on Thanksgiving Day. which was the day my dad had gotten home almost exactly a year to the day of being in that hospital. And in that moment, I knew I was being called to serve and we all decided to start a nonprofit called spiritual care. And today we have 27 chaplains of religions. I don't even know what they are. We have a $10 million interfaith center and we're a national template of pediatric chaplaincy. So we changed the culture of a hundred year old hospital. Right. I think that that is amazing. And what's so incredible to me is how people can turn a tragedy, which is still there, into something so positive that will endure going forward and be a beacon of hope for so many others. And you did that through your grief. And that's incredible, Heidi. We all get a bad card in our hand. It happens, right? None of us get out of hell without getting hand one. And you don't know what's going to happen when you get that card. You don't know how you're going to handle it. I was also presented an opportunity that presented itself. So I was given this incredible opportunity to make lemonade out of lemons. And I'm not the only one, right? There's a lot of people that take that pain and use it as fuel for good. But it gave purpose to a loss. And when I think about the hundreds of thousands of children each year that have chaplains now and families and those critical moments in their life, I would do anything to get my mom back. I would do anything. But there's such a peace in knowing that that happened and that something really wonderful has helped other families that I feel so blessed. I feel so blessed. Absolutely. I mean, what a legacy. And also, as you said earlier, that all the women who started it, all volunteers, all of us, moms, all volunteers. Just think of all the skills that these women have acquired, including you volunteering. So a hundred percent, a hundred percent. Yeah. All right. So let's talk about the charity matters podcast. I think it's wonderful. I know I introduced you to the filling in the blanks ladies. Thank you. Thank you. They're fantastic. I know they were on your show. God, they're amazing. They're wonderful and I love what they do and we're supporters of theirs. So you said your Charity Matters podcast, it actually started as a TV show. You interview modern day heroes who started nonprofits. Let's dive into this, which really seems to be a natural extension of who you are. Well, I mean, life is like life is crazy. So I helped run spiritual care, got it off the ground for five years, and then kind of decided that I needed to walk away intentionally. My husband says you should enter everything with an exit strategy except a marriage. Thank God. Yeah. Spiritual care was going to kindergarten. It was going to be five and it was ready to have new leadership. And so I intentionally walked away, but I really started wondering in the five years of doing this work of, of being, you know, an unpaid CEO and a volunteer, who are these people who start nonprofits? There's 1.6 million nonprofits in the United States. Who starts this and what's their story? And at the time there wasn't a CNN Heroes, there wasn't People Magazine, Heroes Among Us, those didn't exist. So I had this dream in 2009 that I wrote a TV show about these people. And I got up in the middle of the night and I wrote all about the dream and The next day I said to my husband, I think I'm going to write a TV show. Do you think that's crazy? And he said, no, you know, you didn't know how to write, start a nonprofit and you did that. And so I live in LA and we had a lot of friends that were in the industry. And so I called some friends and I go, yeah, I had to go to the writer's guild and log your treatment and create it. And so I did. And then I said to him, like, no, I think I'm going to start this blog to kind of, you know, interview these people and really start collecting content for this TV show. And do you think I'm crazy? And he goes, now I think you're crazy because your tech skills are really bad. That's a skill I did not have as a mom. Wait a minute. We can learn, right? We can, we can still learn. Right. And I did, I figured it out. Right. I built my first website, which was really not so great, but I didn't even hire someone. I attempted to learn myself. And so I started in 2011, I started Charity Matters, and I started interviewing nonprofit founders. And these people, you know, 95% of them have also had a tragedy, they've had a loss, they've had something horrible happen to them, and they've turned it into something really amazing. And so So I started those interviews and I've been doing them ever since and interviewing people all across the country who help other people. I try to limit it. I love the environment. I love dogs, but I try to limit it to people helping people in the United States. So those are kind of my filters for charity matters. And then out of that came the podcast. It's my guilty pleasure every week. I have to tell you because these people are pure inspiration. They're amazing. I would agree with that. The people that I know who have started nonprofits and they start them in their kitchen and in their living room. And so in light of that, I remember when we first spoke, you said something which I loved, and that was that no one starts a nonprofit knowing what they're doing. 100%, 100%. I mean, I think there's now a book, Nonprofits for Dummies, but it didn't exist. Doing that, you just, you know, you have a calling, right? You just know that there's a problem and you know, you need to fix it. And you know, it has to be you who's doing it. A hundred percent. And is that not a mom thing or what? Right. There's a mom thing right there. Right. So mom. Yeah. Right. Yeah. There's just, and there's no questioning when something happens, it has to be fixed. You just do it. You just do it. And so that's, that's what I did. And that's what all these incredible people have done. And they are my heroes. You know, you kind of try to find your tribe, no matter where you are. Whether you're a mom, you try to find moms that have the same values so that your kids have the same values. You try to like attracts like. That's just, we're human. That's just how we are. And I wanted to find these people. And no one was talking about them. And, you know, here we are talking about and no shade on the Kardashians. I'm sure they're wonderful people. But here we're focusing on these influencers and all these people that have a lip balm or whatever. And there ain't nothing wrong with a good lip gloss. But people who are changing the world, who are giving up their lives to help other people, shouldn't that be the focus? Shouldn't that be we want our kids to follow? Shouldn't that be the example that we want? And yet crickets, I'm like, well, I have a little tiny light. It's not a big one, but I'm going to just keep shining it and see if people will start paying attention to these people. And, and so, and so worthy. I mean, I look at, and we both know a lot of people who have lived in the nonprofit world and it is a calling. And one thing I do know is that I feel better when I help other people. Do you think that's a universal feeling? There's a known dopamine hit that physiological reaction. I mean, I went to the grocery store the other day and they asked me if I wanted to round up for like 44 cents. And I was like, yeah, sure. I got a hit from a dopamine hit from 44 cents. I mean, I almost felt guilty. Like how could I feel so good? I did nothing. Right. But we actually feel amazing and we're hardwired to help. And we don't do enough of it. We get so in our own little thing that we don't do it. We do a lot with our kids in the classroom in this, but, but sometimes we get misguided or we get, we get detracted. How many of your nonprofit founders are moms? Oh, I would say 90% of the, most of them are women. The majority are women and most of them are moms and the hardest ones. There are a number of moms that have had. something's happened to their child and they don't want it to happen to somebody else. And they are determined to make their child's life have some purpose or whatever their situation is, you know, but most people want to make sure that whatever they've gone through, they don't want the next guy to go through it. I think this is a heart wrenching way for a mom to hit forward and say, happened to my kid. I don't want him to have to go through that. Hey y'all time to talk about my sponsor, Ally Shoes. hands down the most comfortable shoes I've ever worn. The way they're designed by women, of course, and engineered with this cushy insole design and perfectly placed padding, I can literally wear these shoes all day and I cannot say that about other brands that I have worn. But don't take my word for it. Ask InStyle, Business Insider, and CNN, who are saying the same thing. And I'm sharing the love with all of you. Head on over to ally.nyc. where new customers and listeners of the pod will get $40 off your first pair of heels, classic, kitten, bold block, or sexy slingbacks with special code MOMTOMORE40. And 10% off your first pair of boots and flats, so 10% off of each, with special code MOMTOMORE10. Check out your ally in fashion who are reimagining how comfort and function support women every day, ally.nyc. There's probably a lot of moms listening who have done a ton of volunteering and maybe they want to do more. Like I really think it's in our DNA. It's just who women are, our job, we give birth, we want to make the world a better place. And we all have our own unique ways of doing that. So do you have any advice for women who are considering a personal reinvention? They'd like to get back to the workforce by leveraging their nonprofit volunteer work. I have one of my favorite tips and I give this to moms and college students. There's a wonderful organization called Catchafire.org and if you haven't heard of it, you need to learn about it. So what Catchafire does is it's a high-end volunteering matchmaking service. So if you're in a, let's just say, And we can use different examples, but attorney or you're great at social media or you're great at marketing, or you've done fundraising campaigns at your school or what list your skill set, whatever that is, and then list what causes your passion about, I love education. I love the environment. I love it. You go in and you click your skills and it matches you. to a project with a non-profit. So you could do a two-week marketing campaign. You could do a social media. You can volunteer at a high-end level using your skills, not stuffing envelopes, not, you know, doing some math, feeding in a soup kitchen, and those aren't important things. But you began to get real connections. You get resume building, you make friends with a nonprofit, you can then volunteer and you're volunteering to do this project with them, but you could get hired. There's a lot of things that happen from that work. And it's an incredible organization that recognizes that we all have gifts that are maybe greater than stuffing envelopes. And how do we find that gift and give it to the right organization and match it? This is fantastic. I will make sure that this is in the show notes because what a great resource for moms. And you and I both probably know so many women who are so extraordinary at what they do. And this is a way to channel that beautiful energy that they have into something so meaningful and so necessary. Absolutely. And I think that nonprofit is a wonderful bridge to reentering the workforce. So let's just say you do a marketing campaign or you do social media for a few weeks for a cause. And then they say, well, you come to this more and you volunteer, then they hire you. Then all of a sudden you say, oh, gosh, now I've been doing social media for this nonprofit for the last year. And now you want to go work for Incorporate America or whatever you want to do. It's a wonderful bridge that we really we need those bridges to get back. Right. Right. Absolutely. So Heidi, can you give us a snapshot of your new book, Change for Good? I love that title. And also when you did go back to work, when was that and the skills that you had that you then like transferred over to that position? Okay, there's a lot to unpack there. Let me start the suitcase. Unpacking Change for Good. Change for Good, the book really is about, when you think about self-help, people think about our inspiration. You think about getting rich, getting skinny, getting a skill for the workforce, whatever that is. But when people are thinking about changing, don't you really want to change who you are as a person and change for the better? And really, if there is, the thesis of the book is that service is a silver bullet. And you mentioned this earlier, service is the one thing that if you want to physically feel better, you physically feel better when you serve, you emotionally feel better, you get connections through all of the volunteer work. Think of all the mom friends you've made volunteering in the classroom or what you've Service checks almost every single box for us as humans of what we really need. So the book really dives into a little bit of my story and then these life lessons that I've learned from so many incredible nonprofit heroes and how service has changed my life and service can change yours and service probably already has changed yours. You probably just haven't thought about it specifically and so that I'm really excited um, to be a first time author, it's coming out October 1st. So that's, um, I know. Yay. So look for that. And, um, I'm really excited about that. But as far as when I went back to work, we were kind of talking about the bridge and catch a fire, nonprofit ended up being the bridge for me to return to work. So I ended up serving on a lot of boards because leadership kind of is, is where a skill that I've found myself as a mom leading in a lot of different sharing benefits and leading in fundraisers. We've all been there. Right? We've all been there. So I found leadership as a gift and people began seeing my leadership skills and communication skills. And I was on two different boards. And this nonprofit called TASC, T-A-C-S-E, but TASC, was looking for a new executive director. And a board member on one board and a board member on the other both said, didn't know that the other knew me, they both knew me, but I was on two different boards. They said, what about Heidi Johnson? I'm his executive director for task. And they said, wait, how do you know how you all four on a board? How do you know her? So I remember interviewing with them and they said, well, what are you going to give up? If you were to do this? I said, what do you mean give up? They said, well, you have kids, you have this blog, you're on all these boards. Like, how are you going to run this nonprofit? And I said, well, I'm not giving up anything. And if you want me to give something up, then I'm not the person for you. I said, all these pools of my life are, are what make me and what will connect task to everything. So I'm not giving up anything. And I said, and I had, and it was remote before remote was cool. And so it gave me an opportunity to still pick up my kids, be home when they got home and do everything. And the reason I took the job is that we are a youth leadership organization and we inspire 3,000 kids a year to be leaders, but how to serve and how to give back. So that's really why I took it. Our college kids teach our high school kids leadership and our high school kids teach our middle school students. That's incredible. That's what I do, right? That's my day job. That's your day job. Yeah. That's my day job. Because in addition to these, like the college kids teaching the high school kids and the high school kids teaching the middle school kids, they're learning and growing and developing those skills while they're doing that. And they're paying it forward at the same time. That's exactly right. It was divine intervention. It came at a time where my husband said, well, why are you doing all this work for free? Have you thought about like, our kids are going to be going to college soon. Have you thought about, have you thought about going back? And I'm like, Oh, you know, I'm getting paid. Like, wait, what is that? Right. What is that? And so when they, when they came to me, I think my youngest was maybe in sixth grade or seventh grade and my older two were in high school. I thought, yeah, I think I can do this. I think, you know, we're at a point now I can do this. Yeah. It's time. And, and I'd certainly earned my stripes. I mean, I'd been doing a lot of these things unpaid, right. For a very long time. So so your kids were in school full-time Correct, and you had that big chunk of the day where I could do what resonated with Heidi's heart, right? And yeah, why like why not? I think that's right That's a sort of a pivot time for a lot of moms, you know, and their kids are in school full-time and then they start to think What's my next chapter? You know, where am I going? How you know, what is right gonna look like? for the next 20, 30, 40 years of my life. I think a lot of people wait until the high school graduation, the final, final, and there's no judgment. Everyone's timing is their own, and everyone has to do what's right for their own family. So I have no judgment on that. But I think that when those opportunities come, and looking back, I can see clearly, right? Hindsight is 20-20. At the time, I thought, how am I going to do this? How is this going to work? But it really did. And I wasn't in a cubicle, in a desk chained nine to five. I couldn't have been the mom I wanted to be and do that. And hello to your time management skills. That took you right there. Yeah. Right. Right. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. And you know, you just have to juggle it. You know, you get it done. Maybe sometimes it's, you know, you're leaving early for a football game. I was a big football mom, but you find another time to get it done. It all gets done. We almost get it done, right? We're moms. We make it happen. It always happens. It always gets done. Figure out a way to do it. Oh, that is wonderful. Thank you for that, Heidi. So as we are starting to wrap up, I have a question that I ask all of my amazing moms. And that is since this is the mom to more podcast, Heidi Johnson, what is your more? There's so much more ahead, right there. I mean, we're, we have this brilliant second half, like we have a whole new me time, which is just decadent, right? It's just decadent thing about, I'm definitely entering the more, I think the finishing the book and I just finished it in July. Then so exciting promoting the book is going to be next. I think I'm going to write more books and I think I'm going to do a lot more public speaking. I've been hired to do a lot of public speaking in the last couple of years and it keeps growing. And just really my more is to get the message out about changing for good and serving and kindness and just helping one another. And just those simple things that we do every day with our kids, teach our kids to be better people. I am on this planet to be a messenger for that. And that's what I'm going to continue to do. However, I need to do that. I love that. You have totally uplifted my heart today and my faith in humanity. And I know that there's going to be so many more wonderful things that happen just from all the foundation and the roots that you have already set. So please tell my listeners where they can find you online. And folks, all of this is going to be in the show notes. Terrific. Well, I would love it if you guys want to sign up for the emails, for weekly emails, you can go to charity-matters.com. The person that owns Charity Matters at the Dash, I have a special place in my heart for him. He's holding it hostage for tens of thousands of dollars. Charity-matters.com. On Instagram, at Charity Matters. Facebook at Charity Matters. On X, Charity underscore Matters. You can find me on LinkedIn. And if you're thinking about going back to work or you want to DM me on LinkedIn, it's Heidi McNiff Johnson on LinkedIn. I always have time to help someone. And I always want to support other moms in any way that I can. So I think those are the easiest ways to find me. And then on Amazon, you'll find the Change for Good book. Yay. Early congratulations on that. That's super exciting. Thank you so much for your time today, for your wisdom, for refreshing in everyone's mind, the beauty of philanthropy and paying it forward and doing good in the world. Well, Sharon, thank you. And thank you for inspiring all the moms out there because they can do anything they already do, but doing the best job that you can do in the world. And I'm really excited that you're bringing the service to them and to all of us, because we need, we need to see that little beacon of light. So thank you for providing that for so many moms. Before I sign off, a quick favor. Following the Mom to More pod means you'll never miss an episode and it really helps the show to grow. And if you'd be willing to leave a five-star rating and review and share an episode with another mom, I'd be super grateful and appreciate your support. Thanks for listening and see you next time.